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Go to [profile] twillight2000( http://twilight2000.livejournal.com/251843.html ) for links and information about a bill that will allow the government to spy on us with no legal recourse to us. Except of course that super seekrit council they run.

She's got links on where to go to make yourself heard.

Go, read then do something.

Date: 2006-08-04 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sgoilear.livejournal.com
It's funny ... before, Presidents had this power de facto ... but now they want to formalize it. *groan* This is one time I think the Bush Management Team has really made a mistake.

Executive Orders from a President are easy to make (Clinton averaged about one per week -- and in his last three months in office cranked out >30,000 pages of new regulations), are basically legislation without voting (internment of Japanese-Americans, for example). They're not easily overturned or reversed, once in place.

So the question in the political arena ... is Bush setting up for a dynasty for the next century of Presidents to rule with a Castro-like fist, or is this a distraction, or a point from which he can retreat and pretend to be more moderate? High-end politics is a nasty, nasty game -- and too hard to follow sometimes. :P

Date: 2006-08-05 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kistha.livejournal.com
True - I still don't like it though. :)

Either way, it still makes me all kinds of crazy.

This administration has gotten things so far into places I never wanted to see us go....

Date: 2006-08-05 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sgoilear.livejournal.com
For better or worse (maybe both), they've brought a lot of behind-the-scenes manuevering closer to the public eye.

... but to what end?

Date: 2006-08-05 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kistha.livejournal.com
It's a good question, and I'm afraid only time will tell, but I can't let it go by without saying No. It's important to me that there be checks and balances, even if the check is only the basic illegal nature of the act.

Date: 2006-08-05 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shellyinseattle.livejournal.com
Thanks. I already emailed my comments in to both WA senators, though I suspect both are already on our side.

Date: 2006-08-05 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zephret.livejournal.com
I'm sure they do this sort of thing anyway? I mean, we're talking about a government that wasn't afraid to kill its own people and blame that event on others so that it could use that event as an excuse to get away with every move since that day onward.

Date: 2006-08-05 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kistha.livejournal.com
The important thing is that they are making it legal.

I believe that there are things that the government hides, or does that is illegal, I mean seriously, it's a government.

But then they had to be careful - they knew it was illegal, and that if anyone found out, there would be consequences. It meant the scope of the activities, by nature had to be smaller and more contained. If it becomes legal, there is no recourse to anyone that isn't controlled/regulated by the people who are doing the crime. Which means, anyone, anywhere at anytime. It's giving up the power to say, "No" to the government.

It may seem like there isn't a difference, but there is. And to me it's a VAST difference.

Date: 2006-08-05 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting this. Jersey tends to send the right people to DC, but it never hurts to let them know I notice when something's especially important.

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